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Subject: Microsoft Office Professional 2000 Fri, 24 Feb 2006
Having loaded only one of the two disks of Office Pro 2000 (since I do not want to access anyparts of the second disk) I was successful. Then when I dragged the icons for Word and Excel to the desktop, they disappeared from the Explorer listing. I go to Programs and I cannot find either one, but they do work from the desk top. Question. Why aren't these two programs showing up on Explorer?
BillMacLean, bill_maclean@west-point.org
REPLY: My guess is that when you dragged the icons to the desktop, you actually dragged the programs there. Shortcuts on the desktop have little arrows, I bet those don't. Move them back to where they belong under Programsby by cutting and pasting. Then, if you want shortcuts on the desktop, right click and drag the programs to the desktop. When you let go of the right button, choose "create shortcut here".
Garry Ziffer, garry@jps.net 		25 Feb 2006
Outlook 22 Feb, 2006
I am running outlook 2003. I have my receive option set to download email headers only. Unfortunately, on one occasion I down loaded a header but body/the message got deleted on the server (Don't know how!!). Now I can't receive any emails because Outlook is trying to download or delete the body of the header. Any ideas how to fix this problem?
Atit, atit.patel@orange.net
Purchasing a new computer 14 Feb 2006
I am going to have to buy a new computer and will need more help than just going to the store and choosing one. Can anyone recommend a business that could help me solve the following issues when making my purchase? What about Plug N Play who recently made a presentation to the group ?? My genealogy program is backed up on an I-Omega 250 internal drive and operates on Windows 98. I will need to buy a new genealogy program, but will need the capability of transferring info from Windows 98 to a newer operating system. This is all complicated by the fact that my present computer just crashed. (I am writing this now on an 11-year old computer which I still have, but will need to look into purchasing a replacement computer as soon as possible.) Any suggestions would be most welcome!
Barbara Love, Barmanlove@aol.com
REPLY: Barbara,I got my computer at PC's for Everyone in Cambridge and have been very happy with their service and prices. As regards your genealogy program, if it runs on Windows 98, it will almost certainly run on Windows XP, the current operating system, as well. Your data files can also be transferred to a new machine without problems.
Garry Ziffer		 15 Feb., 2006
FinePrint 30 March, 2005
I often use FinePrint to print 2-8 pages on a single sheet of paper, which saves me ink and paper. It works great and can be found at http://www.softwarelabs.com/fp/fineprint.htm.


Anne Jahares, ann88@rcn.com

Viruses in Compressed Files 26 Dec 2004
Most anti-virus programs are pretty good at detecting virus files, but they are less good at detecting viruses embedded in compressed files. To check this out, I've put a harmless test virus on our web site as well as compressed versions of it. Click on eicar.com; every anti-virus program should detect this as a virus. Don't worry, it's completely harmless. Now click on eicar.zip, a zipped version of the same thing. Finally, click on eicar.exe, a self-extracting version of eicar.com. Does your system detect these compressed versions?
Mine didn't, and it bothered me. It turns out that it can be done with a command line scan and I finally found an easy and free way to accomplish this.

I use AVG Free as my anti-virus program. It can be downloaded from here. To do a command line scan, you seem to need a download manager which senses that you're trying to download a file with your browser and takes over the task. I haven't figured out a way to do this directly from a browser.

The download manager I use is called Star Downloader and it can be downloaded from here. When you configure it, make sure it's integrated with Internet Explorer and/or Firefox and/or Opera, whichever you are using. Now go to the Anti_Virus option. Browse to and select ...\AVG Free\avgw.exe. Where it says "Parameters to executable", insert
"/SE %f" without the quotes.

That's it. your done. AVG will scan the downloaded file for an embedded virus and let you know if there is one. Verify this with eicar.zip and eicar.com. It will not delete it. You have to do that manually.

Garry Ziffer, garry@jps.net

IEEE Meetings of General Interest 26 Aug 2004
There are two IEEE section meetings in September that I hope to attend, and which may be of interest to those who use the Internet and those technically inclined, which are open to the public.
The Life Members Section will be addressed by Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor (he really did it, Al Gore did not) of the Internet. He will tell all about it at 4PM (refreshments at 3:30) on Monday September 27 at the Lincoln Labs auditorium in Hansom Field.
The Chief Technical Officer of American Superconductor Corp. will talk on "The New Generation of Superconductor Electric Power Equipment" at 6PM (refreshments at 5:30) on Wednesday September 15 at Maxtor Corp. in Shrewsbury. I plan to contact the meeting organizer to get directions. If you are interested, contact me and I will give you the details, including registration.
Matthew W. Slate, m.w.slate@ieee.org
E-Drive
Can't get the slide to open to play music , etc.
It is an 8 x 4 x 32 Iomega Zip CD. I used it once, took out the disk, and since then can't open the slide???? Help!
Ralph E Sweeney, resween@juno.com
Visual Basic June 1, 2004
One of my programs that ran on Windows 98 will not run properly on Windows XP. The problem involves the ms Flex grid control. The scroll bars that appeared on the Windows 98 version do not appear on the Windows XP version. I have reinstalled Visual Basic. Is there an upgrade of some kind for either Visual Basic or Windows XP?
Sewall B Potter,spotter632@netzero.net
Classified Ads 12 May 2004
The following URL http://www.craigslist.org/ is the address of a site which contains classified ads from individuals. There is no fee and you select the city before reading the ads or posting to the site. Follow the directions to buy or sell etc.
Harriet Mandell, harrietd@rcn.com
To Copy OE Address Book to Another Computer 09 April, 2004
  1. In Outlook Express, go File/Export/Address Book. This opens the Address Book Export Tool
  2. Select Text File (Comma Separated Values ), click Export, which opens CSV Export window.
  3. Click Browse to open Save As window, type in name for file and select folder to save it in, or save to desktop. Click Save, click Next.
  4. Select fields to export like name person’s first, last name and email address. Click Finish and file is saved to selected location in CSV format.
  5. Copy this file to floppy, cdrw or zip disk and insert into second computer.
  6. Open Outlook Express in second computer go File/Import/Other Address Book.
  7. Choose Text File (Comma Separated Values), click Import. Use Browse button to locate the CSV file on disk. Click Open and Next.
  8. Map the fields you want to import- they should match up, if not, click Change Mapping.
  9. Click Finish. If duplicates occur OE will ask if you want to replace them with what you are importing. Finally select Close.
  10. Check the Address Book to see your contacts.
Repeat 1-5 for periodic backups.
George Martins, gmartins@gis.net
DOS Memory Problems 08 Mar 2004
I am having a problems with a DOS based program. I am running Windows 95. When I installed "Master of Orion" through DOS, it worked. But then I read in the README file that it needed 1040 kb of EMS, which was at the time disabled. It said that I should go into config.sys and change the part where it said NOEMS.
I have had experience with hacking into games and screwing them up, so I made a backup of config.sys before viewing it in an editor and working with it. I did what it said for me to do and then went back to my DOS screen. I set EMS from auto to 1040 and ran Orion again. Now I got the message "ORION NEEDS 575 KB OF CONVENTIONAL MEMORY TO RUN." I deleted every single DOS-based game on my hard drive and formatted D and E. Windows is on C and I'm thinking of reinstalling it since it's pretty messed up. Is there any way I can possibly get any more conventional memory!?!? Help!
Ernest Marquardt, ernmar@cheqnet.net
REPLY: You write that the game ran OK with the original configuration of config.sys. Why don't you just go back to those settings in config.sys?
Garry Ziffer, garry@jps.net 		31 March 2004
REPLY: Unfortunately Orion only ran the first time I tried. It didn't actually run, either, it crashed after I got to the main menu. What now?
Ernest Marquardt, ernmar@cheqnet.net 		31 Mar 2004
Emails with a blank Subject Header 17 Feb 2004
I have observed that I am receiving more and more SPAM with normal-sounding names in the FROM header but a blank SUBJECT header. I have therefore decided to delete any email with a blank SUBJECT. I think it is both courteous and a matter of safety to let the recipient know what they are about to view.
Eve Welts, ewelts@rcn.com
E-Mail on a Mac 30 Dec 2003
I have an iMac 8.6 and use aol 4.0. I cannot decode e-mails sent to me mime. Can someone help me with this problem.
MrsT2@aol.com
Windows 2000 Professional Large Hard Drive Support 24 Dec 2003
I have a 10.2 Gig hard drive but Windows 2000 will only recognize 2 gigs of it. How do I access the rest of the space on the dive so I can use it?
Thanks for any help
John Coleman, pc.tutor@comcast.net
REPLY: I'm not completely sure about this, but I think that if you have a FAT file system on your machine, in can only access 2 GB per partition. You have the choice of distributing the other 8 gigs among one or more additional partitions, or switching to an NTFS file system.
Garry Ziffer, garry@jps.net		 28 Dec, 2003
Mozilla folders 2 Dec 2003
I am using Mozilla and a new e-mail address in an attempt to get away from so much Spam. However, unlike Outlook Express which neatly files away messages in folders marked...Sent, Deleted, Drafts, etc. I cannot find similar folders in Mozilla and I am in the dark trying to remember whether I have "sent a message" or wishing to retrieve a "deleted" message. Does Mozilla file these messages and how do I find them? Thanks.
Anne Jahares, ann88@rcn.com
"Open With..." 2 Dec 2003
In attempting to open certain files, I occasionally run into a message showing me a list of programs and asking me for a selection to "open with..". If Word or Notepad will not work (I get nothing but a bunch of symbols) how do I open a readable file?
Anne Jahares, ann88@rcn.com
REPLY: When you right click on a file and click on "open with", you can choose another program than the ones shown. If you see only symbols when you try to open the file with Word or Notepad, the file is formatted for another program. If you can tell from the file extension what that program is, you can select it. If you can't, try opening it with Quick View. Quick View has a lot of formats built into it.
Garry Ziffer, garry@jps.net		 2 Dec 2003
URL tech support 28 Nov 2003
I'm looking for some tech information in order to set up a URL for uploading a computer program.
Sewall B Potter, spotter632@netzero.net
REPLY: To upload a program so others can access it by going to a specific URL, you need a web page. Most ISP's provide their customers with a free web page, generally with 10MB. Call Tech Support and ask them how to start a web page, to what address you should upload and what its URL will be. You will then need an ftp program, (probably available from your ISP as well) to upload your program. Not as tough as it sounds.
Garry Ziffer, garry@jps.net		 2 Dec 2003
Drivers for HP Printers 23 Nov 2003
I have an old (5 years) HP 722C printer that is still quite functional. The problem is that HP has not updated drivers for Windows XP, and, as a result, I can no longer do two-sided printing automatically. Everyone whom I have asked about a solution to this problem has failed to come up with one. This is my last attempt to seek an answer. Would appreciate any replies directly to my e-mail address: asalant@aol.com.
Switching from MAC to PC 14 Nov 2003
I am switching from a Mac OS 9.1 to a PC laptop XP. Is there a way I can transfer some Word and Excel documents to my new PC? Also, I have been using “Reunion” as my genealogy program on the Mac. (Thank you, Bob Bowers!) Has anyone any good genealogy programs for the PC? Thanks for any suggestions.
Judy DeMarrais, jdem@rcn.com
Outlook Express 30 Oct 2003
I am contemplating a move to Florida. At the present time I have RCN as my ISP, Internet Explorer and Outlook Express. When I move to Florida I will have Comcast as my ISP. I assume I will still have Oultlook Express?
My question is; is there anyway to send a message to every one in my email address book? I have two address books with 194 names in them! I've backed up both address books on a floppy so I can import them to Comcast's email. Any suggestions? Thanks.
earlt@rcn.com
Mailing List 15 Sept. 2003
Mail sent to members with an address of @world.std.com is undeliverable. If that address has changed for you, please let me know. In fact, anyone who has changed their address since the spring should let me know at ewelts@ rcn.com if they want to remain on the mailing list.
Eve Welts, ewelts@rcn.com
Post Your Photos on the Internet June 25, 2003
For those of you that have a lot of digital photos that you would like to share with family and friends, there's an easy way to put them on the Internet without having to design your own web site. You don't need any special software and you don't need to know html (The language used to design web sites). There are a number of web sites that specialize in displaying people's photographs for free or for very little money. You can have any number of galleries and sub-galleries. If you want to restrict access to one or more of your galleries to just people you know, you can protect them with a password.
The service I decided to use is called PhotoShare and it's at http://www.photoshare.co.nz. It happens to be in New Zealand, but as far as the user is concerned, it could well be next door. To join costs six dollars a year, with the first three months free. If you go to the site, you can look at a variety of galleries that people have put up. My website is called garryz in case you're interested.
Garry Ziffer, garry@jps.net
Cleaning Computer 21 Jun 2003
PC Magazine confirms what I said at the last meeting about opening your computer case and cleaning out dust.
On page 91 of the June 2003 issue, it recommends doing this twice a year. My experience is that unless you are in an exceedingly dusty environment, in which you should not be breathing, every couple of years is enough, and that is what our speaker recommended. Opening the case and cleaning it safely is trivial, if you obey a few simple precautions.
Matthew W. Slate, m.w.slate@ieee.org
Volunteer Instructors Sought 20 March, 2003
The Charles River Public Internet Center is looking for an instructor for their computer classes for seniors. These classes are offered at no charge. The current need is for the "Beginning Computer Course for Seniors", which starts April 7th and runs from 10:00a.m. - 11:30a.m on Mondays for 6 weeks. The class includes an introduction to the PC, the Internet, Microsoft Word 2000 and Microsoft Excel 2000, and tips on buying a computer. The instructor should have strong computer and instructional skills and an interest in working with seniors. Prior software teaching experience is a plus; senior-age instructor preferred. Their web site is www.crpic.org
For more information, contact
Dan Buryj
Phone: 781-891-9559 x205
Email: dburyj@crpic.org
Dying Fans
Beware! Fans keep your computer cool. Without them, computers rapidly overheat and die. When you hear a change in the sounds coming out of your computer, it's time to investigate whether a fan may be operating on its last legs. Recently Matt Slate replaced a fan just as it was about to die. Matt has offered to give advice to any GBSCG member who is facing the same problem. You can contact him at m.w.slate@ieee.org .
Windows ME 11 Jan 2003
Is anyone in the group a crack-A-jack at Windows? My Windows ME shuts down in ten seconds and then when I boot it again it will start, crash for 60 to 90 seconds and then continue to boot, SOMETIMES! If I hit Alt, Cntrl & Del it says that the system is unstable and Windows is still running! I've scan the hard drive, defragged it with no results. Does anyone have any ideas? I'd appreciate a reply. Thanks
Earl T Spicer, artificer@rcn.com
Internet Explorer 11 Jan 2003
Often when I receive an E-mail with a link to an internet site and I go to the site to look at the material, I get a message "Internet Explorer was not able to open this internet site." I have Windows 98 and the latest version of Internet Explorer 6 --just received by mail a few days ago directly from Microsoft. Does anyone know what the problem is and how to fix it? Many thanks.
hnbo@theworld.com
AOL Backup Files 17 Nov 2002
Can someone suggest how I can delete the following without a problem: I have had 7.0 aol loaded in my computer. now I have still aol backup for 4.0 & 5.0 under aolbackup. Is it ok to delete or uninstall the 4.0 & 5.0? I have a problem with space now. Can they be looked at first before deleting? If so, how do I do that?
Rjbpgm31@aol.com
Anti-Virus Check Oct. 5, 2002
To protect yourself against viruses, trojans and worms, you need to keep your anti-virus program up to date. But even more important, the anti-virus program needs to be turned on and working properly. It is important that this be verified or you won't get much protection.
For test purposes, there is a program called eicar.com which is totally harmless but is recognized by all anti-virus programs as a "virus". I have compressed the eicar.com file into eicar.zip and eicar.exe Eicar should be detected even in compressed form but not necessarily deleted. Click on the link below to download it and see if it gets detected. If it doesn't, figure out why because otherwise you won't have any protection. To download, click on eicar.zip and/or eicar.exe. As a second step, you might also want to check if your system detects viruses in e-mail attachments. To do that, download eicar.zip, turning off your anti-virus program if necessary, and send yourself some e-mail with eicar.zip as an attachment. After turning your virus protection back on, download your e-mail. Ideally, you should immediately be notified that an attachment has a virus.
Since writing the above, I've been told that Norton Anti-Virus doesn't detect viruses inside zipped files. That's not so good. However, you can still check out your system by unzipping eicar.zip and using eicar.com as an attachment. That should certainly trigger an alarm. If it doesn't, you don't have much protection against viruses.
Garry Ziffer, garry@jps.net
Digital Recording 29 Jun 2002
The original plan was to copy 200 Mid-Eastern (Greek, Turkish, Armenian and Arabic) records onto cassettes, but now that I have a CD burner with my new Dell system, I thought I would skip a step! I have several questions on whether or not the equipment I have will do the job? I have some 78 rpm records, an old Garad changer which is fed into a Marantz receiver. The changer has no preamp and I understand that you need 1 or 1.5 volts going into the sound card? I have a "SoundBlaster" sound card (PSI 60v), which doesn't have a line in jack. If anyone in the group is into digital recording I would appreciate an email or call (617) 926-0186, days or evenings.
Thanks.
Earl T. Spicer, earlt@rcn.com
Sandra Kogan June 13, 2002
For those who heard Sandra Kogan's presentation yesterday, you will remember that she would like to interview seniors who have some facility with computers. If you wish to contact her, her e-mail address is skogan@dsg.bwh.harvard.edu . Her phone number is 617-732-9229.
She also sent us two URL's she thought would be of interest to us. They are:
http://www.seniors.gov/computers.html and
http://www.aoa.gov/NAIC/Notes/olderadults.html
Editor
Scanner Problem June 03, 2002
After I found that the power cord and cable to my scanner had been disconnected and replaced them, my pc cannot find the scanner. I have used the test mechanism on the scanner and it will print the test sheet without going thru the pc.The scanner is connected to my USB port and has worked well for over two years. Any suggestions? Thanks.
Anne Jahares, anja@rcn.com
Downloading Adobe Acrobat 20 May 2002
I am having trouble downloading Adobe Acrobat to my Dell w/WindowsXP. I ask it to download to file and pick 'desktop' and when I am finished, I click on the desktop icon and it seems to unzip ok. When I go to open the .pdf form I want, It will give me a window showing it is zipping and an hour glass on my cursor, then the hourglass goes away and the form is nowwhere to be seen! Help! I have deleted and redownloaded this puppy twice now, and still am having problems. Thanks for any help you have.
IamJBJ@aol.com
REPLY: After reading your post I decided to upgrade my Acrobat reader. So I went to www.adobe.com and selected 'download acrobat reader' under the support tab. In the next page I selected the free reader. On the next page the only thing you have to do is select the platform (Win2000/XP in your case), and then click on 'download'. My preference is to DL to a download folder where I put every such program. Then I ran the program which was ar505enu.exe. The program found where I had my previous installation and performed the installation/upgrade. Then I was able to read pdf files without a problem. You might want to check the file associations. This is accessed by going to 'folder options' in the control panel. Select File Types tab and make sure that the pdf file type points to the acrobat reader. Just click once on the pdf file type and it should say that it is opened with Acrobat Reader 5.0. This association should have been made in the installation of the reader. If this is OK you might want to try a different pdf file from the one that hasn't worked.
Charles Moir, cmoir@attbi.com 		29 May 2002
An Unwelcome Bootup Message 14 May 2002
Recently, I started getting a notification during bootup "...legacy keyboard-detected, legacy mouse-detected, USB legacy-enabled...etc...press (del) to resume". So, I now have to do that as well as click off the password drop down. A wonderful tech at Dell suggested reformatting my hard drive which I declined. Another Dell tech asked me if I used Windows Update. When I said yes, he said that one of them caused this problem. He cautioned me not to automatically accept Windows Updates...that I should question Microsoft if I don't understand the purpose of a particular update. I just pass the info along.
Mack Rosenbaum, mack.rosenbaum@verizon.net
REPLY: A similiar thing happened to me (DELL Dimension). This is what I found out: The system BIOS stopps when and if it encounters an error during boot-up. In my case it was a "S.M.A.R.T. alert" from one of my hard disk drives (I verified this by running the appropriate test utility, downloaded from the manufacturer's homepage). According to the disk manufacturer this indicates a serious problem, so I replaced the hard disk - and got rid of the "unwelcome bootup message" (...and hope for warranty replacement).
Peter Schoeltzel, P.Schoeltzel@t-online.de 		11 Jul 2002
Free Multi-Media Viewer 10 May 2002
Irfanview 3.70 is now available. This is freeware which functions as a digital image reader of files of almost any type. It also reads WAV and other sound files. It will do slideshows and it has photo editing features. It will also print thumbnails with file names, etc.. You can download it for free from www.Irfanview.com
Earle Barcus, fbarcus@bu.edu
Problems with Juno 17 Apr 2002
If you're connected to the Internet via Juno, you should be aware of the following, as contributed by Matt Slate:

1. Per your Service Agreement, Juno can run or permit others to run software on your computer for commercial purposes and unrelated to its service to you.
2. Data produced by this software can be stored on your computer. It will be uploaded to Juno during a subsequent connection, initiated either by you or by the software.
3.On Matt's computer, this data used almost 1 GB of disk space. It included two files infected with viruses.
4.Matt found that when connecting to Juno, the computer spent more time "Processing Incoming Data" than processing messages.
5.Juno stores your address book in a file called addrbook.nv. If your computer crashes, Juno may decide to store this file in a different directory than it was before. This can cause two copies of your address book to exist on your computer, one of which may be more up to date than the other. As a result, the next time you use the address book you may be using obsolete information

For further information, contact Matthew W. Slate, m.w.slate@ieee.org

Explorer .doc 12 Apr 2002
I have Windows 98 and Office 2000.
Up until today, I could open .doc files from Windows Explorer . Now I can only open .doc files through Word Application. I can still open Excel files from Explorer.
I tried to bring up "Open With." I left clicked a .doc file, then pressed, held shift key and right clicked. "Open" also did not appear on the menu. I can bring up a menu on other files (other than .doc files) with "Open" at the top and "Open With" listed second.
Help would be appreciated
Lil, Swanarl@aol.com
.NET Seminar 4/11/2002
Microsoft and DCI have announced a special one-day .NET and Solution Offerings program, June 20, 2002 at the Hynes Convention Center in Boston, MA. Keynote Speaker will be Dan'l Lewin, Executive Vice President at Microsoft Corporation. For an overview and to register, visit http://www.dci.com/brochure/msbos/. Interactive sessions in the afternoon will focus on:
E-Business Infrastructure;
Empowering Employees
Connecting Customers.
This one-day program is free of charge but you must provide priority code TRSXX1Q and DCI Customer ID: D1143578 at the time of registration. - Or call 978-470-3880
Howard McGowan, Hcmgowan@aol.com
Punch! Professional Home Design 9 Apr 2002
Does any one at GBSCG know "Punch! Professional Home Design"? If so, are you willing to help me get started? I look forward to hear from you.
Thanks,
Chauncey Chu, chaunceycc@aol.com
How to get an answer to any question 14 Mar 2002
The best way that I've found to get a solution to almost any problem is to query the newsgroups. The problem may be computer related, a sick gerbil or where to buy inexpensive water colors. The trick is to put in the right keywords. Also, make Re: one of your keywords. That way you get answers to your problem instead of people with the same problem that you have. Generally it is best not to query specific newsgroups because you don't know where an answer might be coming from. If it looks like most relevant answers come from a specific or related newsgroups, you can specify that on a second scan.
Anyway, the URL is: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
Here is an example:
Suppose you want to transfer files between a computer running Windows 98 and Windows XP and you want to do it via the parallel ports. A good set of keywords might be:
Re: parallel port file transfer xp 98
If you tried that, you will have gotten 108 replies, but the second one : Direct file transfer from 98 to XP looks pretty good to me. Next time you have a problem, give it a try.
Garry Ziffer, garry@jps.net
RCN Problems 11 Mar 2002
Since I responded to Anne Jahares in February, I have learned that if you have RCN and put Stop All Network Connection on Zone Alarm, when RCN does its random sweep to verify your connection and finds it missing, it will not do another sweep for 36 hours. The only way to get reconnected in lesser time is to call a tech. I now refrain from putting a stop on all connection and just let the Firewall do its work. If I am not going to be around for a long period of time I now just shut down the computer.
Eve Welts, ewelts@rcn.com

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