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Kids still were divided along who would and wouldn't dare to play on the grass scared of fines.

Those housing project lawns and "bushes" were maintained better even then than much of CENTRAL PARK is TODAY! During the 1990s the low chains strung around the grass areas were replaced with waist-high steel fencing at NYC projects.

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To understand NYC - (Manhattan especially) time and space are compressed - you'll feel it when you get here - you should be aware to cope a little better! OK now? Tourists and new NYers are a considerable nuisance in any group waling slowly down the street blocking the width of whole sidewalk! Don't stop short on busy sidewalks to look up and take pictures. Don't stop short at bottoms or tops of subway stairs or hug poles or subway cars doors; be prepared to shift or move away from the doors as exiting occurs at one or the other side of the car depending on the stop! THANK YOU! Get a Metrocard in advance at your hotel ($7 daily card, etc.) or subway vending machine to avoid lines. Remember where restrooms are and are NOT [see MORE-> for tips]. They are mostly inadequate/ dirty/ poorly located and those few are mostly CLOSED after business hours. *MY* best bets are well-maintained but small public restroom on 42st at Bryant Park near back of the library and the ones in the Lesbian & Gay Community Services Ctr on w13; you can use either, too! But late nite, have a late coffee or drink and a diner or bar facilities, but NO dancing, please (against the law without a cabaret license)!

I gotta take a break from browsing. Give the clickin' finger a rest. See the Village Voice for entertainment listings, classifieds, and their infamous personals or eat first.. or go out later....New York is a city that keeps one up late too often, but everything closes early in my neighborhood, and it seems like nightlife in many areas is wayyy down too, except for lower east side and E Village!

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After most of the 1980s in several apartments in Jersey City, I moved to Brooklyn to try to settle in and lived there for over 16 1/2 thru late 2007 in was the worst bldg in a good area. A walk-up with housing code violations. The owner couldn't care less to fix them or to follow rent regulation rules etc. and NYC makes you report [puts you on your landlord's "rat" list!] it/ take owner to court to get any action [-NYC abandoned routine inspections to look for such things] and the few younger neighbors did not care to be involved. I stopped having leases also did not get rent increases and I could not afford to move into something else in my neighborhood. Oh the joy of NY/ But it was about a 20 minute subway ride to lower Manhattan, or to Greenwich Village. I moved to Manhattan in 2008 to an even smaller apartment, though the compensation for me is that the rent is not too much higher and I can walk to work.. more about it if you actully know me.

Part of Co op City and Pelham Bay, Bronx. Born in The Bronx. In the mid 1970s studied Architecture at IIT in Chicago, and Environmental (Interior) Design at Parsons School of Design in NYC and end of the 70s. I got my urban planning (etc.) education, much be NEGATIVE example, by living in ->a NYC Housing Project in the 60's Inwood (north Manhattan), Co-op City (Bronx high-rise mega-development) in the 1970's, and Jersey City in the 1980s and Brooklyn in the 1990s to end of 2007.

Chicago memorabilia I do have a bad attitude for one who wanted to be an architect/interior designer! Maybe if I weren't a product of the NYC Public Schools.(??)...(I should get a resume thing posted here..) So, come on over, it does help being from somewhere else (but I think too many guys who come here to be 'fabulous' set the tone and that's not necessarily a good thing.)

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  • Looking Back... There WAS a revolution in the 60's. I was young, since I was 5 y.o in 1960 etc. Before "Fun City" and the social disruptions that were the reality at these developments; there was NO "summer of love" and swinging 60s for us there. But I remember enough clearly enough. Many relatives lived within walking distance. Even though this was the north end of Manhattan, until the mid 1960s we had a milkman and a cakeman deliver in that 'Project' and neighborhood(!) We knew the shopkeepers, and vice versa back then I am NOT the only one who knows the difference between then and soon later with some nostalgia or at least some appreciation.

    A Village Voice feature a few years ago, "Project Girls" was about some black women looking back into the 50s/60s period at their former neighborhood, the Projects in Brooklyn just W of the Navy Yard. "The Neighborhood Ties That Still Bind" [-Kilgannon, NYTimes, Metro 8-2-2004] highlighted a warm reunion of residents of the Amsterdam [op. 1948] Houses at a nearby public school who lived harmoniously but modestly there into the 1960s, even with the surrounding area and its share of gangs [yeah the actual West Side Story neighborhood]. Some of the first residents there were WWII vets and their families..no not all were able to pack up and move up to suburbia back then! I am not surprised aobut Ms. SOTOMAYORs childhood in new Bronxdales Houses in 1957 [3 y.o. moved in, 16 y.o. moved out] was positive [-note Shulman, Washington Post 6-16-2009]. No matter early press P-C stories of a deprived slum childhood 'near Yankee stadium." Keeping much of the P/R/ cluture, nonetheless they were average NYC lower middle class. I did not have more than her. There are some loose parallels! They moved to Co op City around the time she entered a Catholic High School [Cardinal Spellman] after other Catholic scholing. Her father died when she was 9 and her mother 'trained' to be a private nurse. We are only months apart in age. My family moved to Co op City later in the same year she did, 1 term after I started at Bx Science [then I went to Art & Design]. Her extended family partied on Orchard Beach rice and beans and all. Mine went downstairs to sit and talk on the benches on summer evenings, or we got to ocasional cookouts at an Uncle's house near Levittown [- in Bill O'Reilly land.] Sorry to get in a pissing war over being "deprived" but my mother did NOT work, and on a postal [window] worker's salary we had could afford only 2 bedrooms. My parents [got permission] to sleep on a sofabed in the living room in order to give me and my brother 1 bedroom and other to my sister. I was glad to go away to college for a while in Chicago after 3 years of that! So much for her modest bombast that she makes better judgements than a white man by being a Latina of such a poor /oppressed background and such. Her kind of progressivism devasted her own childhood home that gave her the chance to get to the Supreme Court, not to mention bringing us all to the revolutionary "change" of our new Obama-nation.

    I walked home for lunch from school from 1st grade EVERY day until I got to High School - then we were not allowoed out, and I followed the rules. In "my" Inwood of late 1950s thru the 1960s along Dyckman St and Broadway *then*, there USED to be many of the kinds of shops and services they expect on the Upper West Side NOW [but without designer names]- on one strip of 3 blocks - Loew's, another independent movie theater, Chinese [Cantonese] restaurant, Continental restaurant, catering hall, Woolworth, 2 kosher deli's, Carvel, a REAL ice cream parlor, local supermarket, pharmacy, camera store, bakery, toy store, houseware/paint store, Cheese-Appetizing shop, John's Bargain Store, Bickford's Cafeteria, Italian bakery, fish store, Pizza place, bar, lingerie shop, bowling alley, and more thrived.

    There was no intercom or lock to the building I lived in. I walked down the stairs from the 6th floor much of the time. Oh a co-op building a few blocks away built in the early 60s had an intercom system, first one I ever saw [no doormen]. I couldn't understand why anyone would want to stop someone from going upstairs to ring on a friend's door?! We did not have a car and it was not too unusual. We called our development a "middle-class" Housing Project because of the modest but strict work and income requirements that did still exist up to 196_. There were not any tenants on welfare; no single moms etc. Sotomayer's project was well integrated and had only about 10% on welfare. Entry and living regulations were liberalsied to be more inclusive by the city and futher loosened by Congress 1981 to give preference to lower income that led to deterioration of the "Projects" to notorious levels of the past nearl 30 years. Along with changes in immigration rules [1965], public school 1967 strike and rise of local school boards and increased bussing hastened the flight of our white neighbors, maybe blacks too who had the mean to buy a home in NJ or LI, too. Drugs in the schools, car theft, and muggings came from being nearly unknown to harsh common occurrences. Our lobby got did not have locked inner doors with an intercom until 1971 just after we moved out. BUT today, just being there but especially trying to visit someone without knowing if they are home, or by waking in the stairs you might be arrested...the BLOOMBERG cops aggressively and increasingly using trespassing charges that is snaring innocent visitors and residents since 2004 start of "Operation Safe Housing" [15,939 arrest is up 25% since 2002, and there were 6,750 convictions. DO I have more to fear from the Police or criminals if I visit one of "our" facilities in a Housing Project as part of my job? Does the staff there?

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    ALL PARKS and public squares etc. are closed at night or from early evening and many are now gated- you will be drinking and eating extra in order to take care of these needs esp. evenings being away from open, large shops with bathrooms!

    No one *ever* came to NY for the weather. ..the city is designed to be at its best in perfect weather There is little or no protection from rough weather. And lately even the subway has failed in big rainfalls. There is no "underground city" such as in Montreal, T.O. etc. and no public skybridge system either. It's frigid during a part of the winter and subtropical during a good part of the summer. SO Feb. and Aug. is exodus by the fab to the Hamptons, Fire Island, whatever.

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    It was a typical lower-middle class NYC neighborhood. Except for a literal handful, there are otherwise no brownstones or rowhouses this far north in Manhattan [there are a handful of 1920s or so single family homes at w217 / Park Terrace W at N end of Manhattan] so no family homes to lend or regain stability and no great big ol commercial / loft bldgs for the artist-condo cycle of gentrification either. North Manhattan quickly went from farm remnants below country estates on the hills and ridge overlooking the Hudson River, to ordinary, mostly 6-floor apartment buildings after the subways came, similarly to the boom in much of the BX [that also turned to post-WWII bust]. The building I was in was 14 floors, part of a seven-building NYC Housing Project built in 1952 or so. Some of the better buildings, still, not many blocks away, bordering the park are co-oped and remain the most desirable of the area. Many of the neighbors, even the families of, say, bus drivers for the city, for example, moved out to the suburbs especially after the divisive school strike of 1967 when the public school system went through drastic organizational changes, bussing increased, and taxes escalated.. So many moved up and out, to newly developing areas of NJ[-had no income tax into the mid1970s], Long Island, Westchester, Rockland. Others just to other outlying parts of the city...Italians and others in Brooklyn neighborhoods moved to Staten Island made accessible by the new bridge - note during 2003 the inflow turned around to an increasing OUTLFOW of U.S. born people [see below-study quoted in S.I. Advance 2-10-2009]. Many NYC neighborhoods still were good bets and grew with new hi-rise and homes, while others stated slow [fast?] road to decline.

    W are now clearly in pt II of the "revolution" and it is going to be ugly and dangerous mid 2009-on. "Know this" OBAMA says as his lies then accsuses others of lying about his programs, HIS 'cure" is cementing coming chaos. Forward into the past! Pt I, the 60s affected us pretty early..but it wasn't caused here [umm there]...we were closer to the bottom of the pecking order than not, court decisions, social changes, *demographics* - people changed quickly, neighborhood 'traditions' such as could exist, faded. Some NY neighborhoods were destabilized even earlier than I saw, as in the postwar loss of industrial jobs started, and highway construction and the Interstates in the mid 50s and on tore through areas [NY State Throughway, the Gowanus, the Cross Bronx Expressway., Long Island Expressway, etc.] leading people to the suburbs. But I grew up at tail end of great open, accessible NYC. The great museums, zoos and more were free, just walk in! That all ended with need to raise more funds coming a few years before walls become graffiti boards and storefronts had riot gates and decades before the need for hardening public places against terrorist attacks was conceivable. We have lost more far more of our civilization that the internet has given to us since. Lindsay's late 1960s and early 1970s 'fun city' is notable for public workers strikes, and political and social activism and major crime increases which drove more to the suburbs many then still seemed bucolic. My old neighborhood is all 'gone' now, (it almost all came undone 1967-71) except for most of the buildings. Other areas of the city are 'back' from an influx of affluent 'yuppies' seeking out the convenient locations or solid old housing stock, and some are 'back' but with a new identity due to influx of immigrants, creating new 'Chinatowns', or little Indias, in more affordable Brooklyn and Queens, well away from the original Manhattan enclaves. People mostly get along BUT people do self-segregate themselves to survive and for peace of mind.


    Women's rights, gay rights, question authority, question everything. Free sex- AIDS. Microprocessors, packet switching - internet -- terrorists have cheap worldwide comms - advent of big brother. Earth day, care free, carefree clean air - no new refineries, nuke plants, drilling bans - sky high energy costs.
    The shadows of the past are heavy, but now fading in 'those' areas. Many of the proud old buildings stood in proud/ or not too proud, decay. I used to say -" gee, this must have been a great neighborhood a hundred years ago." These really commonly were neighborhoods of that age, where many streets are at obtuse angles for trolley cars. The past is frequently left bleeding, but not buried in many of the neighborhoods we call 'bad', as that lack of fortune has spared it from the developer (OK, except 'till after R. Moses, etc. and the NYC Housing Authority got finished with their slicing away!). The great ol 19th-early 20th commercial strip and small rowhouses, and Victoriana beyond, of Bushwick that were burned out or barely survived the 1978 blackout riot continued to decay along Broadway and J/M or Z subway south-east was quite a poignant sight until a wave of recent yuppies -hipsters [whatever]. It looked like last gasp of a lost civilization until post-9/11 re-use [but no $$$ for lavish restoration], demolition and new construction homoginised the area, and otherwise the area is about as gritty as before. SO much was lost and so great the need to rebuild, there is NO trace of the poor neighborhood[s] in large parts of the rebuilt infamous" burnt out S Bronx, where even suburban-style single family homes were built..some are partially viewable from the 2 or 3 train. Town-house style buildings were built, even back in 2001 on many the emptied lots.

    Now 2005 as NYC population is at a record HIGH, the death rate is lowest on "100 years"[!] and the NYC birth rate is lowest in "25 years" [-but not in umm certain neighborhoods chiefly some orthodox Jewish areas and some immigrant areas] and TEEN birth rate declined. 52% of 20005 births were paid for by Medicaid and 44% of the females were unmarried. The outflow of native New Yorkers continues. All this highlight the massive inflow of new NYers - legal and illegal. In my ol neighborhood there is more life on and in [really] the street than ever, just not in English. NYC is a sanctuary city. FARMINGVILLE house occupied by 64 illegal men closed down and NEWSDAY called it anti-immigrant mania MAR__ 2007. Late 1006-early 2007 efforts to make the much SUNNYSIDE Gardens QUEENS a historic district are being called "anti-immigrant" because it would prevent most additions to houses needed by those people just popping em out who need bigger houses. And even NYTimes had to print "Polygamy, Practiced in Secrecy Follows Africans to New York" [3-23-2007] that is, muslim Africans bring their tradition and interpretation of the Koran them to have 4 wives. The fact of a second wife of Mr. Magassa of Mali was nearly entirely self-censored out of the story in the tragic Mar7 2007 BX fire where 5 of his children died.

    The MAYOR took in Katrina homeless, the CITY COUNCIL wants to give non-citizens the right to vote and the MAYOR and COUNCIL do lots to make illegal aliens welcome and taken care of ["We need lots of immigrants to come into this country each year. Our birth rate is not high enough to sustain the growth in the economy we need." Bloomberg 7-4-2006] Suburban town centers are changing fast. So many of these guys live together in "worker's homes" and have women come in and cook for them, part of their underground non-English speaking economy. Money transfers *home* to Mexico and Central America in 2003 from US was estimated to be approx $25Billion; let's at least tax it! Coming to your town if not already there! Undocumented [illegal] Immigrant Day labor hiring halls have opened in some suburbs to alleviate guys hanging out in the street soliciting small jobs frequently in with contractors etc. IN NYC streets such as Roosevelt Ave - Jackson HTs Qns in particular early a.m. is a waiting area for pickups of day laborers.

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    Nearly 60 languages are spoken in the borough."..of QUEENS. NY Times, The Arts 8-8-02 re: art exhibition "Queens International" in Flushing Meadows-Corona Park. and 1990-2000 "Mexican's fastest-growing group in city" who number just behind Chinese 'by the numbers' from NYC Dept City Planning "250,000+" -maybe 400,000- approx 2/3 foreign born, 30 percent entered US after 2000 [yes, GWB in] speaking little English and "35%+" live below the poverty line [-Newsday 6-12-2007]. It is not P-C to say what diseases many 3rd worlders bring in EPECIALLY TB and not even the NYTimes can not totally hide it...5-11-2006 "The study, led by researchers at New York University School of Medicine, found that 15 percent of east Asians in New York - as many as 100,000 people - are chronic hepatitis [B] carriers, with the rate highest among immigrants from China." -and the highest rate of Chinese umm immigration here are from Fujian which has the highest rate of Hep B in China.

    "Dr. Lisa Eng, a Hong Kong-bron gynecologist who practices in Chinatown and Sunset Park, said she tried to discourage couples who perfer boys from having abortions."[-Roberts NYTimes 6-15-2009 "U.S. Births Hint At Bias for Sons in Some Asians"] BIAS? If sex-selection techniques do not work, its out. US Chinese as in these immigrant-heavy neighborhoods will accept a 1st girl child, but a second might no make it. Red flag was raised from statistics of unnaturally increasing rate of boys born to Chinese -Amer with a 2nd and higher for 3rd children. This is also seen to a some degress amongst Koreans and Indians.

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    "..[t]he U.S. is the fifth [2008: no. 2 after MEX] largest Spanish-speaking nation in the world and New York has more Spanish speakers than 13 Latin American capitals.." 2006 new census figures released AUG 9 2007 were 100mil non-white and growing and 1/10 of all US counties have a non-white majority.

    Mayor Bloomberg Executive Order 9-17-03 "...a broad new privacy policy that would prohibit city workers in most cases from giving out information not just a person's immigration status, but also sexual orientation, income tax records and welfare assistance...[I]t also applies to law enforcement officers offices, except in cases involving criminal activity and terrorism." [-NYTimes, Metro, 9-18-03] So yeah illegals get all the services they want and criminals and even terrorists could slip thru anyway. They are calling this crock a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and we have heard that one before.

    Bloomberg Condemned Xenophobia in America "It is staggering the damage that is being done to America, I think, by the anti-immigrant kinds of movement the you see some parts of our country..[O]ur country was built by immigrants and if we don't keep a supply of immigrants coming in we are not going to have a future." [-NYSun 12-13-2007] he said after DEC 12 speech at Fudan University, Shanghai, one of many stops in Beijing and Shanghai in 3 days in China of week- long Asian visit.

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  • Santeria principal to be fired.. BUT to the DEPT. it NOT a matter of performing religious rituals [not even SANTERIA!] but "she was coercing her staff to participate." Matirza Tamayo, of the Unity Center for Urban Technologies at 6Av just north of Canal St. forced her Asst to pay $900 to a neighbor, Ms. Fonte, after she lead a Santoria ritual with candles, incense and chicken blood in an attempt to cleanse her high school of negative energy, during midwinter break in early 2006. Ms. Fonte described herself as religious, Catholic and not a Santeria practitioner. The principal denied the check from the Asst Principal to her for the other woman was for any of two rituals performed. She was reassigned and will be on payroll during dismissal hearings, the Dept. of Education said [8-7-2007 Newsday, Daily New, and NYSun 8-8-2007-NYSun printed the most precise report, as usual!] Tamayo paid $350 more to the woman JAN 2007 with school funds and teacher contributions to drive students to the school for Regents exams! Unity Center for Urban Technologies -huh?

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    "In Inwood's Spanish Milleau, Feeling Like an Intruder at Home" Linda Wasson (lived in the city for 12 years) N Y Times SOAPBOX, 5-4-97 "The City" Section. "It's a quiet, family neighborhood situated among beautiful parks that spill over in summer with Little Leagues, families...Everywhere you can hear the rhythms of Latin music - salsa, meringue and Mexican ballads - emanating from open windows, cars and even impromptu concerts on street corners."

    Combined analysis [census and other public documents] shows in 2007, MANHATTAN is almost a split 50.9 percent 'minority', BROOKLYN 63 percent non-white Hispanic, QUEENS 69 percent[-and 46%+ foreign born] and BRONX 87 percent "minority" is the MAJORITY. S.I.[Richmond County], though still most umm the native - born/whitest borough has gone "From Suburbia To Melting Pot" [-D. Young, S. I Advance 8-8-2008]. 1/3 of the population is non-white + foreign born; more than a total flip from *1990* figure of 80% in 1990! More S.I. transformation->"-study "Reviving the City of Aspiration" / Center for An Urban Future and Wagner College [S.I.] "details a toxic formula of circumstances in New York City that have been squeezing the middle class out [of NYC]." The S.I. Advance [2-10-2009] notes for that first since 1982 when the figures started to be studied, "more U.S. born residents are leaving the borough that are moving in.." a turn around during 2003 that is greatly accelerating and are increasingly more of the educated and professionals due to high housing costs combined with loong commutes and stagnant wages post 9/11. A top destination is PA /Lehigh Co. and a significant percentage to - Charlotte NC!

    [Dowdy, Newsday]-The combined population of Nassau, Suffolk and Queens grew by 69,000 [since 2000 census] but "would have lost a whopping 147,000 people without a steady influx of Hispanic and Asian, according to Population Reference Bureau after analysing 2006 figures, is typical throughout the region. 2006 figures showed Suffolk Co. was 75% white. The figures also show a small increase in the percentage of Long Island blacks but "Fed in part by the growing number of families moving to the south..U.S. census bureau figures scheduled for release [8-9-2007] show that the number of black residents from Brooklyn - Queens - Manhattan, fell by more that 40,000 between 2000 and 2006.".. just opposite of increase of 25,000 from 1990 to 2000.[-E. Brown, NYSun 8-9-2007] - All a bit confusing. Prof. Ana Celia Zentella -ethnic studies at UC-San Diego- NYTimes Dec. 5 2002 studying Spanish speech-speakers in NYC "In Simple Pronouns, Clues to Shifting Latino Identity by Jany Scott].

    You can see some of the sketches I did to relieve the tedium of drawing bricks there at I.I.T. by sketching (maybe silly stuff.) By the way, the IIT page has good links to Chicago like the Tribune and others. Great buildings, great PIZZA, great bars...what am I doing here(?) So, I still have some interests in 'building' related books and collectibles; when I travel I take pictures of the buildings! Without the PC, I'd be sketching more, and thinking about Cities, especially urban form more. When I can get away from the PC, I like to get out and look out for PC upgrades...oops...CD's, more shopping, eating, and travel. PC's, CD's, Pizza (you prob. will encounter Ray's - lookup a PATSY's instead), Chinese Food (oops, my cholesterol!!), Bears...Bears...What else is there? Sometimes just... donuts and ...

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  • CLOSED: *2009 *Clearview 66st/Bay for NYIT auditorium/screen* *2008 *Clearview 23st Chelsea W for SVA audtiorium/screens* *2006 *Loews State [JAN 27 2006 last movie theatre on Times Sq. This one was in the basement of Virgin Megastore]..Crossbay II [Jan2 OzonePk QNS]* *2005 Cinema 1,2,3 3Av.. Beekman Thea. [1-screen, vintage 1952 design closed 6-26-05, demolished for new Mem Sloan-Kettering treatment facility].. Crossbay I summer 2005* *2004 Loew's Astor Plaza [Aug 5. Now Nokia concert thea].. Sutton [e57st fall 2004 -condo tower].. Pavillion [5-23-04 Prospect Hts Bklyn]* *2003 Eastside Playhouse [3av56st]..Coronet and Baronet [3av59st].. Murray Hill Cinema 34st* [w34-3av is now a health facility]* *2002 Olympia Thea. [12-02 since 1914 B'way-107St]* *Loews Elmwood [orig 1928 Queensboro. Converted to church use.]* *1999 Guild-[Trans luxe Rock Ctr -retail space]*
    KRISPY KREME donuts opened their first NYC outlet on 23 st a few years ago [this one closed fall 2005] and are now at 125 St. and Penn Station [also at Harrod's London 2003.] Movie listings Most of the old movie thea on the East Side of Manhattan have been demolished for condos. Really - from the Beekman to the Sutton to the Murrray Hill. WILL LOEWs e walk have to be sold [or closed]. making it the first big bit of undoing of the GIULIANI-DISNEY Times Sq wet$$$ dream? Many theatres have been forced out because of GOVT regulation brought into play by -plexing! 2006 LOEWs bid to buy out AMC may require [by US DEPT of JUSTICE rules] divestment of many screens because it is forbidden to prevent "..theatres in the same district to show the same films at the same time." [-NYSUN 1-12-06, this is surprising. IF this is to prevent monopolization and price increase, it seems to be a poor attempt]. This will particularly affect LOEWs in NYC at Times SQ where mega plex LOWEs e-walk and AMC 25 are right across the street from each other. ANOTHER big merger, another price increase for sure, as in 1998 after LOEWs bought out Cineplex Odeon, 14 small Manhattan theatres had to be sold and were mostly closed and prices went up. Maybe if something is really good I would fork over $15 for one of the premium reserved wider front seats -if they are still doing that- introduced to NY Sept or Oct 2003 at then new Loew's 34th st megaplex, after being available in other places around the country. I do not know exactly when regular rose to $12 in Manhattan, maybe late 2007 or early 2008. Top regular NYC movie price rose to "only!" $10.25 at the end of DEC 2003 at Loews Manhattan then at the UA 14st-Union Sq multiplex. Thie first $12.50 price was DEC 2005 during the run of "The Producer" at the Ziegfeld. The Clearview Cinema at Bway-62 st [to] be Cinema Latino Aug 27 2004 [NYPost reported 8-12-04], the first Manhattan venue showing only first run "Latin-American"-English subtitled movies.

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