On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, zeropoint wrote: parallel@bluesky.net.au (earthling) writes: uuummm...don't flame me ! But any constructive criticism is always appreciated. This is my very first posting on the usenet. Has anyone ever noticed the similarities between the Lorentz Force and the Magnus Effect ? For those who have never heard of either term, a simple definition of each follows :- ---> The Lorentz Force is the centripetal force experienced by a MOVING CHARGED particle as it travels through a magnetic field. Only that component of the particle velocity at right angles to the field is involved. The field does not add any energy to the particle velocity. The field, the velocity, and the force are always at right angles to each other, so as the direction of travel of the particle changes the force also rotates accordingly. The particle ends up travelling in a circle or a spiral path, depending on the angle at which it enters the magnetic field. Loss of kinetic energy should also be taken into consideration. For those who prefer an equation, here it is.. F = Bq (V sinq), where B is the field strength, q is charge, V is velocity, and q is the angle between the (total) velocity and the field. If all of the particle velocity is at right angles to the field, then sin90 = 1, means maximum force experienced by the particle. ---> The Magnus Effect is the centripetal force experienced by a MOVING SPINNING object as it travels through a fluid medium. (The proviso is that the object be capable of dragging some of the surrounding fluid around it's 'equator' as it spins - i.e. it needs to have a rough surface...like a golf ball or a tennis ball). Only that component of the object velocity at right angles to the spin axis is involved. The rate of spin does not add any energy to the object velocity. The spin axis, the velocity, and the force are always at right angles to each other, so as the direction of travel of the object changes the force also rotates accordingly. The object would end up travelling a full circle if gravity and fluid fluctuations did not act upon it. Golfers and tennis players use the Magnus Effect all the time, when they use backspin or sidespin to good effect for their game. Assuming a spinning golf ball travels through the air and drags some of that air around its equator, it creates a slight vacuum on one side (at the surface of the ball) where the air is hauled away from the oncoming wind. On the opposite side, the fluid is thrown into the oncoming wind and the pressure is increased. The net force on the ball causes it to change direction continuously. The equation describing the Magnus Effect is a little complicated for my liking...look it up if you wish. Pretty damn similar I think and not just a coincidence ! I do have more thoughts on the matter, but I wont waffle on unless I get a positive response or two (then try and stop me..hehe).