Remembering the Rutland
Q. #21 (11/05/99) I'm a member of the RRHS. I have a question concerning the new Spectrum LI 4-8-2 Mountain. How close is this model to the Rutland L1 4-8-2 prototype numbers 90-93. I model Vermont and New Hampshire and the Rutland is one of the roads that I model.
Thanks in advance
A. (11/10/99) Unfortunately even squinting
in dim light won't make a Bachmann Mountain resemble a Rutland Mountain. Question is how
fussy are you and do you have an operating layout? If you answer "not much" to
the first question and "yes" to the second then I recommend you get ahold of an
undecorated Mountain and a set of Champ Rutland steam decals. Letter it up but number it
above 94..[you can use your own imagination as to why The Rutland had this relatively
unknown class of Mountains].....then trim out the edges of the running board in silver,
whitewall the driver rims, maybe do a little detail work like mounting the pumps on the
pilot deck and anything else you
Q. #22 (11/06/99) What was the ruling grade west (north) from Rouses Point to Malone, NY?
A. (12/12/99) According to the 1934 book, the ruling grade appears to have been1.09 percent at two short locations between Ellenburg and Clinton Mills.
Q. #23 (11/10/99) I am looking for information regarding the disposition of the Western Vermont Rail Road Co. I have a stock certificate for that RR issued to (I believe) my great great great grandfather in 1851. His name was Anson Vail (of Danby) and I believe that he was an employee of the RR. Based on a timeline I found of Rutland RR history, it seems that the Western Vermont RR was part of, or absorbed by the Rutland. Are the railroad companies that operate in that area of Vermont today associated with the WVRR/Rutland RR? Any info you have would be appreciated.
A. (11/12/99) The Western Vermont Railroad Company was incorporated on Nov. 5, 1845 under the Laws of Vermont. It was leased to Myron Clark on Nov. 3, 1853 and passed to control of the mortgage trustees on Jan. 16, 1857. On Aug. 1, 1865 it was reorganized as the Bennington and Rutland Railroad Company. The Bennington and Rutland eventually became part of the Rutland, first through lease on Mar. 1, 1900 and finally through consolidation on Jun. 30, 1901.
Q. #24 (11/24/99) How close is the Spectrum 2-8-0 Consolidation to any that the Rutland used? Did the Rutland use them on the Bellows Falls Sub or the O&LC in the 1950s?
A. (11/28/99) Rich Parkola asks about the Bachmann 2-8-0 and the RUTLAND. Unfortunately,
the Bachmann engine is nothing like the Rutland engines except for the size and number of
wheels. The Bachmann engine is based on a very large 1920's consol, while the Rutland
engines were medium sized 1900's engines, smaller than even what the NYC was building at
the same time. If you want to know what the Rutland engines would have looked like with
Walschaerts valve gear, go to Steamtown [or North Conway? -jrd] and take a look at their
Maine Central 2-8-0. Other than the valve gear and the cylinders and cab, the MEC 2-8-0's
were the same engine as the RUTLAND 2-8-0's.
Q. #25 (11/24/99) Question - Bellows Falls Sub Freights: What kind of freight trains operated on the Bellows Falls Sub in the 1950-1961 time period? Was there a local that did the work between Rutland and Bellows Falls on a daily basis? Did the Bellows Falls-Norwood freights do any local work? What kind of steam/diesel power was used on these trains?
(I realize that these questions may be answered by Nimke's Volume 3 on the Bellows Falls Sub but I have been unable to locate a copy to purchase or read - any suggestions?)
A. (11/29/99) I suggest reading Giro R. Patalano's book, BEHIND THE IRON HORSE, The
People Who Made the Trains Run in the Bellows Falls, Vermont, Area (1941-1980) published
in 1997 by the Vermont Historical Society. Call the Vermont Historical Society Bookshop,
109 State Street, Montpelier, VT 05602, 802-828-2291. The price is $16.95.
Q. #26 (11/28/99) In looking through the Walthers 2000 catalogue I see that M. F. Kotowski has a print (#413-199010) called "Rutlands". Is anyone familiar with that print? Does it have anything to do with the Rutland RR?
Jim, I pulled out the art print I mentioned the other day. It
is a print of a watercolor painting. The painting is entitled "Rutland's Green
Hornets." My print is numbered, signed, and dated by the artist (M.F. Kotowski). It
is a painting of steam engine #93 in the "Green Hornet" paint scheme. The engine
is pulling a wooden combine and what looks like a wooden coach. The rest of the train is
hidden due to the curvature of the track. The Green Mountains are depicted in fall colors
in the background, and the engine is passing three men standing in front of what looks
like a section house in the foreground. Naturally the engineer is waving to the men.
I ordered my print from Walthers several years ago.
Q. #27 (11/29/99) I am finally getting around to assembling the Walthers' Jordan spreader. The model is very close to the Rutland X180 - I guess this is so because they bought a "stock" model. If I go nuts I'll add the hydraulic lines.
What colors did Rutland paint it? I only have b&w photos. The cab and railings look to be yellow and the body looks a bit light to be black - my guess is that it is green - the railroad was proud of their new equipment in their 1954 annual report but the photos are also b&w. The actuation cylinders look darker - black?
Any suggestions on a source for lettering?
A. (11/29/99) In response to question #25, I have some half-baked information on the paint scheme on the Jordan Spreaders (until more definitive information can be obtained). On page 126 of Sweetland and Horsley's NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT there is a color picture of spreader # X467 which is black on black but the cabin appears to be a very weathered boxcar or cherry red. Glenn Annis and Bill Badger's article in the Winter 1996 Newsliner notes that the pile driver, cranes, work tenders and flat cars were black, so I expect that the spreaders were also black; however they note that the snowplows were cherry red. Could the cabin on the spreader have been that same color? Volume I of Nimke's book has a B&W picture of X467 (p. 192) in much better shape which definitely suggests a two-tone paint scheme (red for the cabin and black for the rest?). More to the point, X180 is pictured in B&W on page 189. The cab and plow appear to be light in color and as the print on the cab is darker and you can see the "new" Green Mountain Gateway herald I would speculate that the cab and plow are yellow and the printing and herald are green.
-Gary S. Raizes
A. (11/30/99) My thoughts on the Jordan Spreader X180 by the B&W photos I've
seen is that it was in fact yellow and green. Therefore, that's what I painted mine . . .
I'll try to get my friend to make an e-photo to send to you. I haven't done the hydraulic
lines yet. I say "yet" because I mean to do that. I also haven't found anything
suitable for the two small lights on either side of the headlight. Years ago I purchased
some 11 x 17 drawings/prints of Jordan spreader parts and accessories done by Bill
Roy of McKensie Iron & Steel Co. . . . I don't know if he
still has them available or not. He usually advertises in the Shortline Gazette. Let
me know if you can't locate him . . . I think I have a recent issue.
A. (11/30/99) I asked this same question in August of '97. Steve
Mumley of the Green Mountain
A. (12/12/99) This photo of X180 [below] may help clear the air on paint. For
those [who] want a copy, it's from Bob's Photos, RUT 003. The cab,
railings, brakewheel and stirrups are yellow. I'm tempted to say the rest is black, but
Steve Mumley says green. If so, it's a very dark green, a la Pennsy "Brunswick
Green". Lettering would be a bit of a challenge, but it appears the herald from
the Microscale N-scale set for the Rutland diesels is very close to the
---Courtesy of Bob's Photos---
Q. #28 (12/02/99) I have an old ink drawing of a finely detailed steam engine and tender. The engine and tender have the name "JOHN S. FARLOW" lettered on them. The engine also shows a casting inscribed "Malone, N.Y. 1868 O&LCRRCO." The title on the bottom of drawing says, "BUILT BY THE O&L.C.R.R.CO." The artists name is George S. Batchelder, dated Nov. 20, 1875. This drawing has been handed down to me from past generations, yet I don't know much about it other than my great-grandmother's maiden name was Batchelder. George S. Batchelder resided in Ellenburg Depot, N.Y. It may also be helpful to know that the engine has 4 axles, as does the tender. Any info regarding this would be appreciated.
Q. #29 (12/14/99) Do you know which of the trains through Bellows Falls carried mail, either in mail storage or in a working RPO?
A. (01/24/00) James VanBokkelen, a B&M modeler,
maintains a nice website with information on a range of New England rail topics:
Q. #29 (02/19/00) The information in these tables is lifted from B&M and Rutland public and employee timetables and from the "Alburg [sic] & Boston R.P.O." line schedule for mail clerks contained in the "Schedule of Mail Routes No. 297 - October 28, 1938." The tables don't tell the whole story of mail service through Bellow Falls as at least one additional scheduled trip in each direction between Rutland and Bellows Falls does not correspond to scheduled trains. I am endeavoring to find out how these moves were made (by truck?) and solicit information from those who may be able to offer information. As well, at least one run in each direction between Boston and Bellows Falls terminated at Bellows Falls. These tables are extremely preliminary and subject to correction (I have yet to master the subleties of reading these RPO line schedules) but I thought that posting them might spur on others to further research.
Boston-to-Rutland RPOs - Late 1938 to ?
Rutland-to-Boston RPOs - Late 1938 to ?
Q. #30 (12/25/99) Did the Rutland ever run any dining car service? If so, was it their own? Did they have their own dining car china pattern? What train(s) did the service run on?
-Thomas A. Matzell
A. (12/29/99) In reference to Rutland's dining service - Rutland's 900 (diner lounge parlor) was purchased in 1913 and retired in 1943. I believe that Rutland had its own china and silver. If anyone has any, send me photos and I'll do an article for the Newsliner.
Schedules list equipment for the scheduled trains.
Green Mountain Flyer:
Green Mountain Flyer:
NY - Boston - Montreal Express
Green Mountain Flyer:
Dining car NYC to Albany
Dining car Boston to Rutland, Alburgh
Green Mountain Flyer:
Lounge buffet NYC to Montreal
Lounge buffet Rutland to Montreal
Sample fares: NYC to Montreal $10.11 and Boston to Montreal: $8.58
Green Mountain Flyer:
I hope I got these right.
A. (12/29/99) The Rutland did indeed have its own china and flatware, although it is extremely rare to find examples in the marketplace or even in collections. Doug McIntyre's The Official Guide to Railroad Dining Car China has a picture of a white Rutland dinner plate in what is called the Green Mountain pattern. The plate is white with green and brown stripes around the edge and features a small green, circular herald with "RUTLAND RAILROAD in the center and "NEW YORK BOSTON MONTREAL LINE" around the circumference. In terms of rarity it is rated a 5 out of 6 and the author comments "I want it," so you know it is a very rare and desirable piece.
Dominy and Morgenfruh's Silver at your Service only lists one flatware pattern for the Rutland, named Cromwell. It is called one of the most popular patterns with the railroads. Years ago I was offered a Rutland dinner fork for $35, but that was too dear to me at the time. I would jump at the opportunity today!
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