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Q. #91   (06/17/01)  A recently acquired HO scale kit for the Rutland four window caboose (##11-14) did not include trucks and even failed to mention which trucks would be a match for the prototypes. I am interested in using Kadee trucks. Can anyone suggest what set I should buy?

-Donn Welton


A (07/06/01)   I have the same problem. Can't help with which trucks are right, but I do have a tip. Precision Scale still makes leaf springs that will fit in Kadee and other trucks. Look for part #31968, a set of a dozen. The hobby shop owner (now retired, alas) told me that Walthers doesn't catalog them. He managed to get them somehow, though.

If Jim Otto's choice for his caboose is right, the Kadee archbars are the closest Kadees.

Now can anyone help me with which ladders are exactly right for the same kit? How much can I trust someone named Jim Otto? (This last is sheer jealousy--I just wish I were as good a modeler as he is.)

-Harold Otto


A (07/19/01)   Eastern Car Works make a set of trucks #9055, Birdsboro Andrews Trucks. These are plastic kits, sideframes, bolsters, springs. The kit includes both leaf springs and coils. The leaf castings fit into Kadee Arch Bar if you cannot get the Precision Scale leafs. The Eastern web site is worth looking at as they have a wide range of unusual freight and passenger car trucks with photos of each style. Kadee wheelsets are a drop fit in any of their trucks.

-Don Spiro


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Q. #92   (06/17/01)  Was there ever much interchange between the Rutland and the B&M at Petersburg Jct?

-Ted Fisk


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Q. #93   Note: Q93 is deleted. See Q106.



Q. #94   (06/18/01)  I am attempting to model plow X104 as this unit would have looked in the 1938-1948 era. So far, I have been unable to find any pre-1950 photographs of X104, and all photos from the post-1950 era show this plow with steel wings and the Rutland-style (upside-down "J" shaped), smoke-jack. Does anyone have any information on when X104 received the steel wings and this type of smoke-jack? Are there any books with photos of X104 from the pre-1950 era that I may have missed?

-Bill Keay


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Q. #95   (06/25/01)  Can some enlighten me on locomotive movements for the Green Mountain Flyer and the Mount Royal? I assume when the New York section got to Rutland, that engine carried the train on to Montreal. Did the locomotive off the Boston section turn around and take the Boston section from the recently-arrived joint train from Montreal back to Boston or did it layover? Did the Boston engine from the Flyer ever bring down the Boston section of the Mount Royal? Hope this was not too confusing.

-Gary Raizes


A (11/06/01)   In my visits to Rutland in the early 1950s it often appeared that a B&M class P-3 4-6-2 was the regular power on the Troy-to-Rutland and Rutland-to-Troy segments of the Green Mountain Flyer. On the Bellows Falls-to-Rutland and Rutland-to-Bellows Falls segments of the Flyer I usually noted a Rutland 70-series 4-6-0. Also, on visits to Bellows Falls during the same period the practice on the Flyer seemed to be to a B&M P-2 4-6-2 to and from Boston, with the Rutland 70s on the train in and out of Bellows Falls from and to Rutland, VT. Also, it seemed that Rutland 4-6-2s were the norm on the Flyer north of Rutland.

Of course, there were probably many exceptions to the pattern that I recall. And I can't relate any information as to the Mount Royal, as I was solely a daytime train watcher!

I hope this is helpful.

-Dwight Smith


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Q. #96   (06/25/01)  I'm planning to develop plans and build a model of the Stephentown, NY depot. There are several photos in Nimke's Volume IV and I could probably come close on dimensions by scaling the photos, but I thought I'd see if anyone has measured dimensions for this depot. I know it was part of the tour at the 12th Annual RRHS meeting in '98.

I'm also finishing up my Florence depot and a few questions have come up. First, it appears from the published photos in Shaughnessy and Nimke that the sign board on the north (baggage) end of the depot is located on top of the roof, at the edge, whereas the sign on the south end is located under the roof, again at the edge. This location at the north end makes sense because there is a baggage door there that is raised from the ground. Unfortunately, I haven't found any photos that show both the north and south end on the same (or close) date. Can anyone verify that this depot had one sign board above the roof and the other below it? I'm especially interested in the late '40s.

Also, I haven't run across any photos showing the back side (away from the track) of the Florence depot. I'm assuming that it has the same layout as the standard 16' x 40' depot (as shown, for example, in Nimke Vol. III, p. 106), but if it's different I'd like to know so I can produce an accurate plan for the depot.

Along similar lines, I haven't found any photos of the Florence depot that clearly show the window panes so I'm assuming that it had the 6 pane over 9 pane arrangement that was common on the Rutland's 16' x 40' depots. Can anyone verify this?

Finally, what was the lettering height used on these signboards?

-Jay Conant


A (12/16/01)   I, too, am planning to model the Stephentown station.  I have most measurements, many recent (1990s) photos (including interior) and I've collected photocopies of old photos of the station that I'd be willing to share.  I haven't actually sat down and made drawing from my data.

-Michael Hobbs
Hummer@isomedia.com


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Q. #97   (07/06/01)  Are there any hobby shops that have a web site that deals in Rutland equipment? I live in Rome, NY [which has] no hobby shops. Syracuse is 45 miles away and they seem interested in either modern or the [New York] Central. I would be dealing by mail or the internet. Like to be able to ask questions about a particular unit before buying and am interested in mainly Rutland except for visiting rolling stock and keeping it in the time frame of 1950 to 1955.

-Tom McCoy


A (07/16/01)   The best shop I have found that stocks Rutland and other Vermont/New Egland equipment is C&J Hobbies, 936 Rte. 7, Waltham, VT 05491-9547. Telephone: 802-877-2997. Email: customtrains@juno.com

Carl, the owner, is friendly, knowledgeable and always seems to be up to date on stocking current releases for Rutland-appropriate models. He deals in Rutland brass, does custom painting and sells some very nice kitbashed three window Rutland cabooses using the MDC wood caboose. This caboose is available in most of the different schemes that appered on these hacks over the years. Unfortunately I do not think he has a web site. It's been over six months since my last contact with him. I lived in northwest New Jersey and now live in Arizona, so I appreciate your dilema. Carl always seemed to be abe to help though.

Good Luck

-Don Spiro


A (07/17/01)   Don't forget Caboose Corner, on Rt. 5 (Missing Link Rd), Bellows Falls, VT (tel. 802-463-4575), home of Rutland caboose #36. John Cook is a Rutland RR Historical Society member (as is Carl of C & J Hobby), and John has the remaining Nimke books on the Rutland. Caboose Corner is also organizing the Transpo model train show on August 4th (Sat.) in Bellows Falls. E-mail is cabcorjc@sovernet.com.

-Larry Burch


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Q. #98   (07/06/01)  In the Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment [published by Morning Sun] is a color picture of the Rutland scale test car. My question is about the two bay hopper in the background. Is it from the same number series as the two bay hopper in Nimke's Volume 1 on equipement? They are definitely different styles.

- Keith Sirman


A (07/07/01)   In response to Keith's question - The hopper is from the same series: 750-764. They were purchased used for use as ballast cars. The car in the photo is likely to be 754. If you look closely you might see a line of rivets running to the top of the end. These rivets mark the added steeper slope sheets installed when these cars were set up as ballast cars. They came with X-numbers. Shortly after they were needed for revenue service and the Xs were painted over.

The Atlas "America's Historic Series" hopper 752 is a close representation. While it is the closest model available it is slightly longer and has 9 "ribs" vs the 7 of the actual car. The 752 is too bold and is too far to the left - no room for the painted out X. The model is lettered correctly in silver and the stencil lines show nicely. With a bit of weathering it makes a nice model. At the Springfield show custom painted Athearn cars have been available. They had white lettering but with weathering they should also be ok.

-Ray Muntz


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Q. #99   (07/06/01)  I have a nice, new, undecorated Life-Like Proto 2000 USRA 0-8-0 on my shelf awaiting the arrival of decals. This engine runs like a dream -- far better than any brass I could afford. And it looks really good -- also better than most older brass. Here is what I am planning to do:

1. rip off the coal pusher
2. put a railing around the tender deck
3. whack on the decals for no 110
4. make it dirty with grimy black and other sundry filth
5. put it in service.

But I'm sure it's not that simple. Any advice from anyone who has used this engine? Should I paint the tender deck and back of the slope sheet red? Cab interior green? Is there much other work required on the tender? The coal bunker looks a little too wide, judging from what photos I have, but I am reluctant to fix this. Finally, I suppose it should be pre-World War 2, so that it will go with my Athearn mike. Are there any distinctive features of this era?

-Harold Otto


A (07/19/01)   One minor item to note about all of the RUTLAND steam locomotive tenders, at least in the later years, is that they did not have a lip or fluting around the "water deck" of the tender -- there is fluting on the coal boards, but it stops where they meet the tender deck. This is the reason for the handrail around the edge of the tender. What looks like fluting around the edge of the deck is, in fact, the closely spaced rivets that attach the deck to the side sheets.

I'd speculate this was done to allow any overflow to run off the side or back of the tender rather than pool on top and freeze (during the winter) or promote rust (in any season!)

-Chris Martin


A (01/02/02)   My Life-Like 0-8-0 is product #23307, lettered Missouri Pacific. It appears there may be some variations in this HO model, depending on the road name. This MP version has no coal pusher. To my untrained eye, the following are needed to arrive at a "close enough" model version of the Rutland 0-8-0's.

Locomotive
Add a round number plate centered on the smokebox front.
Revise the long boiler handrails to extend down to the pilot deck, removing unneeded handrail stanchions.
Plate over the space between the top of the footboards and the bottom of the pilot beam.
Add a front air line across the pilot deck, running to an added air hose next to the front coupler.
Add armrest at cab side window.
Add sunshade & frame above cab side window; prototype appears to be canvas, usually furled.

Tender
Add deck handrail as discussed previously in this question.
Plate over the space between the top of the footboards and the bottom of the end beam (assumed).
Remove handrails on sides of coalboards.
Add rerailing frog to tender frame.

I am not a stickler for plumbing and have not reviewed it in detail. It looks reasonable. Regarding the locomotive headlight, it appears from a photo in Shaughnessey that the headlight on Rutland 110 was at one time mounted atop the smokebox. The other published photos I have seen show the headlight on a bracket attached to the top of the smokebox front, as on the Life-Like model. I haven't seen a photo showing a view of the rear of the tender, so the filling of the space between the top of the footboards and the bottom of the end beam is an assumption. It seems logical for a switching locomotive, but could be wrong.

-Jeff Ashworth


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Q. #100   (07/15/01)  What are the correct numbers to use on the Railworks Rutland fishbelly milk cars (340 series with the belt rail and lower body vents) that were released last year? I've seen pictures of these cars with and without the [side] vents. The image of #347 in the RtR Photo Gallery has no vents. Were the cars built with roof vents and were they then removed later or were some built with them and some without? I have a Railworks unpainted car with the vents and want to paint it in the olive steam era color. Has anyone found a match for the Railworks olive green using commercially available paint?

-Don Janes


A (07/19/01)   The Railworks model comes with a lever style brake. I numbered mine 340 because it appears from photos that the rest of the series had a brake wheel. As for the vents and belt rail it seems that over the years of repairs that some were covered over when the sheathing was replaced. I have a photo of a car with vents on one end of the side and none on the other. There are also later photos where there are no vents or belt rail - this would make for an easy scratch building project. I had not noticed that the roof vents were removed - I'll have to look again. I also believe that the [style of] vents on the model are not correct - just "close enough".

As for color - choose your side of the discussion. At least there is no discussion as to what color the roof is.

-Ray Muntz


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