Remembering the Rutland
(02/12/00) I am looking to paint a New
England Rail Service Rutland K-1 4-6-2 in the late 1940s scheme. Did the firebox
get the gray graphite treatment as well as the smokebox? Was it a light gray or a deeper
and more typical gray (I am doing #80)? Was the driver trim and running board striping
silver or white? What color was the cab interior? Was the inside of the bell red? Thank
you in advance for any assistance!
I would also append Rob's question to ask about painting the back of the coal bunker on the tender. Although it is often stated that it was painted an oxide red by the Rutland shop forces, I am wondering if this application of red paint was restricted to the back of the coal bunker or did it extend to the deck or to any other places?
What color were the cab window sashes on Rutland Steam?
By no means complete, but for what it's worth:
I went through this same quandary when I painted my #31 and
#81 models, and here is what I learned, (much of this is second-hand and anecdotal, so
please correct me if I am messing anything up):
A. (02/17/00) When it comes time to add the white walkway striping, I would suggest using carefully cut-to-width strips of white decal paper. It gives you a crisper edge than applying white paint with a bristle brush and is easier than masking and air brushing.
The Green Hornets had green sashes. Basically, on most engines
the sashes were the same color as the rest of the engine.
NOTE: To view Rutland #82 with the rear of her coal sheet painted red, CLICK HERE.
The only thing I would add is that Bob's Photos has a
number of color prints available showing the backs of coal bunkers on the 90-series
engines. They also were painted in a dull oxide red color.
(02/19/00) I have read a few times that the
reason the 90's were not repainted GREEN was that:
A. (04/07/00) They were repainted black for a couple of simple reasons: #1) The green did not hold up well. The [green] got dirty real fast and the black wouldn't show the grime as fast as the green did. #2) The Rutland had all kinds of black paint in inventory, so it was a cost factor. Remember the Rutland was not a rich road. They never owned any roller bearing trucks because it was cheaper to buy friction bearing trucks, most noticeable [on] the two new vans in 1959.
Q. #53 (02/22/00) I am modeling Rutland wood vans in HO scale. Who makes the correct leaf spring trucks for them? What about the correct ladders? Are there any other unique details that I should know about?
A. (02/23/00) To represent a Rutland caboose equipped with 'arch-bar' trucks, I
used a set made by Central Valley, replacing the coil springs with Walthers
A. (02/23/00) While I'm modeling a freelanced railroad I've built a trio of Rutland-style cabooses using the MDC three window wood caboose. For ladders I used Tichy freight car ladders cut to approximate height. I bent wire around a small jewelers screwdriver shaft to make the curved handholds. These were ACC'd in holes drilled into the end walkway and the legs were ACC'd to each side of the ladder. While not an exact duplicate of Rutland van ladders they look close enough at layout viewing distance.
For trucks I used Tichy on two of them and Eastern
Car Works Birdsboro/Andrews on the other. The Andrews trucks are a kit and come
with both a coil spring or leaf spring insert. Those leaf spring inserts might just work
in the Kadee Arch Bar truck. The Eastern Car Works number for the trucks
is 9055. Hope this helps.
A. (03/06/00) I've used the ladders by Taurus Products (page 897, 2000 Walthers catalog) on my Rutland four-window caboose. I have also used basic brass ladder stock and cut the rungs out of a few sections and curved the top over.
A. (07/29/00) I too have used Walthers leaf springs to replace the coil
springs. Many years ago (more than 15yrs) the Walthers leaf spring part number was
946-3005. I checked the web site and the part is no longer available. You might try some
of the older hobby shops.
Q. #54 (02/22/00) Does anyone make accurate HO scale decals for Rutland passenger cars? Would you paint the passenger cars with Scalecoat Pullman Green?
A. (02/23/00) Question 33 posed a similar question and generated a couple of answers, but I would be interested in further discussion along the same lines. Anyone?
A. (02/24/00) The decal made for us (Rutland
Car Shops) by Microscale (from artwork supplied by John
Sheridan) is available for $5.00 w/SSAE. Comparison of our decals with the
recently made available Rutland lettering diagram indicates that John's work is
A. (02/29/00) The decal sets for passenger and milk cars are available. One set contains:
--Letterboard letters for 2 cars - good for passenger or milk.
The decals come in either gold or dulux. Dulux is the color that was used after the mid 30's. It had been my belief that Dulux came in during WWII. The instructions for the Rutland Car Shops' baggage cars include shop maintenance cards for 128&9. The cards show that the cars were relettered using "imitation gold" in 1936. This is the first definitive evidence of when the color was first used. The instructions go on to say that NYC switched in 1936-39. Based on that I now would believe that the Whippet scheme (starting in 1939) would have been in Dulux.
One set is $5. Please add $1 to cover mailing. Profits will go to the equipment restoration fund. These decals were prepared as a joint effort of several members of the Rutland Railroad Historical Society using photos, tracings, and Rutland RR lettering diagrams, capturing the unique Rutland style of letters and numbers.
My address is: Ray Muntz, 339 Sylvan Lane, Westbury, NY 11590-1902
Q. #55 (02/22/00) Does anyone have any suggestions about substitute lettering and/or herald in place of the Herald King R-760 decals for the Rutland 350-series milk cars in HO? I'm in the process of painting/lettering the Railworks release and I find myself with half a set of the old decals. I've got the striping, one herald and one "Rutland," but for some long-forgotten reason the other herald and "Rutland" are missing. Any help, suggestions etc. would be greatly appreciated.
A. (02/26/00) Good news and bad news on this question:
The good news: Yes I do have a set I'm willing to let Woody have, because...
The bad news: The Herald King Decals are in fact not a good choice for the 350-series milk cars. The lettering on the 350 series cars was about 12" high for the road name, and about 9" high for the numbers. The herald was about the same size as the herald on the cabooses -- roughly 21" high and 30" wide overall (one note -- these heralds were apparently hand painted. I've seen a photo of the herald partially painted, with just a couple of chalk lines to guide the painter). In the Herald King set the road name is 16" high (about right for the Rutland's 340-series milk cars), the numbers about 10.5" high (a little oversize), and the herald is way out of whack for any Rutland car (3-6" too tall, 18"-24" too wide).
A. (02/26/00) If it's any consolation to those of you who have "Diesel Era" Rutland models of passenger cars (including milk cars) and cabooses in need of proper lettering, I have heard of at least one source that is working towards an accurate set of decals for this type of equipment. Remember: patience is a virtue!
Q. #56 (03/19/00) Does anyone have any information about the pre-Civil War rolling stock of the Rutland that was built by the Brandon Car Works? In The Rutland Road author Shaughnessy says a few unkind words about the cars (e.g. "Herculean efforts [were needed] to keep the road's rolling stock, built by the amateurs at Brandon, from falling apart, ...") but is that all there is?
A. (08/01/00) Years ago in Model Railroader and Railroad Model Craftsman magazines there were a number of articles (1976 to 1986) on mid-to-late 1800's railroad equipment. One in particular modeled the St.J&LC, but of course I do not remember the author...
Q. #57 (05/15/00) I'm modeling the Bellows Falls diamond and Rutland yard in HO, with the B&M's Fitchburg Yard (North Walpole) as off-scene staging. Reading Behind the Iron Horse by Giro Patalano and looking at the maps of Bellows Falls from Bob Nimke's book, it's apparent that the "Back Track" can only hold about 30 freight cars (40') and the two "Boston" tracks hold about 12 cars each, or 20 if other tracks are fouled. Does anyone know how a 50 or 60-car freight from Rutland could enter the Rutland yard without fouling the B&M Connecticutt River mainline for a considerable time? Or would a Rutland freight pull through the Rutland yard and into the B&M Fitchburg yard before being broken up? I wanted to model a real section of Rutland to see how they handled operations, and this looks like a doozy. Anyone know how this was done in the 40's and 50's?
A. (05/15/00) I did get some info from Steve Mumley: Pulling into the Island Yard from Rutland, a Rutland freight would pull right over the stone bridge into the B&M's Fitchburg Yard, usually "doubling back" onto another track as soon as they had cleared it. As Steve says, "There wasn't much room in North Walpole, either." I also re-checked Patalano: he did say the Rutland freights pulled into Fitchburg Yard. I knew the B&M used the Patch Track (along the river, north of the gauntlet-tracked canal bridge) as an interchange track with the Rutland, but I couldn't figure how you could possibly fit a train onto the Island. Now I know -- you can't!
(05/16/00) I am interested in modeling
Vergennes, Vermont (c. 1950-1960). I would like to know what color the Rutland painted
their freight houses during this time period. Does anyone know if they tried to paint them
to match the passenger station adjacent to it? Additionally, at what point did the Vermont
Railway paint the Vergennes station red? Thanks for the help!
A. (06/10/00) I just read through the postings about the colors of the Rutland's depots
and other buildings. It seems to me that the relatively new schemes were quite similar to
those used by the Delaware & Hudson. This probably is a result of the aesthetic appeal
of the colors rather than any deliberate attempt by one road to imitate the other -- or
does anyone have more information on this?
A. (09/11/00) Earlier this summer I sat down and reread the articles that Glenn Annis and I did on RUTLAND colors back in the Winter 1996 and Summer 1997 Newsliners. I have been doing some more reasearch on stations and I think it may be getting to be time for a Part 3. I also thought that there might be new information that would suggest corrections to our original articles. However, upon rereading them, I can't find anything that I would change. So I would suggest that anyone with color questions should start with those articles. I will try to put together some additional material on building colors, because that is the one area that could use more information.
Q. #59 (05/16/00)
I've been trying to write up my report on the Rutland #129, and
have stumbled across some contradictions in secondary sources, and was wondering if you
know of a definitive article on the subject. The question I have is about the Panama Canal
Act that affected the Rutland's shipping operations. When did it actually get passed? I've
seen 1910, 1911, 1912 and 1915. Everyone seems to agree that is was interpreted by the ICC
in 1915 contrary to Rutland's interest, but I just cannot find any reference to the Act
itself (at least in our small library and on the internet). I might have to stumble over
to the University library to get a definite answer.
-Pat McKnight, Historian, Steamtown National Historic Site
The Panama Canal Act was passed on August 24, 1912. As other
canals had been brought to ruin by unfair competition from railroads, the Act contained
language meant to prevent ownership of shipping companies by railroad companies that were
or could be in competition with the shipping company. As can be seen in the text of the
act, this was primarily phrased in reference to the Panama Canal. The Rutland ran into
trouble because of the "...or elsewhere..." clause.
The act also confers upon the Interstate Commerce Commission jurisdiction to
determine questions of fact as to the competition or possibility of competition, after
full hearing, on the application of any railroad company or other carrier and that
application may be filed for the purpose of determining whether any existing service is in
violation of the section and for an order permitting the continuance of any vessels or
barges already in operation. . . ."
Q. #60 (05/22/00) I'm detailing some Athearn flatcars to resemble the Rutland 40' 2700 series. Does anyont make decals or dry transfers, especially with the recent brass 2700's now available? My guess is that these could be 'bashed from CDS dry transfers for the 4100 series, for example. Any ideas?
A. (08/01/00) Larry, I am planning on using the CDS #431 Rutland wood/steel gon/flat dry transfer set for my Athearn flatcars "someday" when I'm done with the real one. Since the Athearn flat car is a "close-enough" deal to begin with, I do not feel too guilty about not using the exact decals, for now. Of course, if someone (RAY?!) were to produce the correct decals, and if someone else were to produce an inexpensive "correct" flat...
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