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This was born 7 August 1997. The litter included four sable bitches, one tri-color bitch, and one tri-color male (all bi-factored). Pedigree, pictures and puppy evaluations are below.

Tara Hill It Hasta Be Shasta (litter brother to CH Tara Hill All Is Vanity)
CH Tara Hill Aylmere Wild Card
Dan Dee Orange Fragrance
CH Aylmere Foxglove You Bet
CH Benayr Sentimental Journey
Aylmere Amanda Leigh
Aylmere Karma ("Sportin' Chance")
CH Foxglove Chances Are
Am/Can./Jap. CH Alfenloch Whirlwind, ROM
CH Shield Crest Hurricane
Sea Oak Diamonds Are Forever (dam of 3 CHs)
Foxglove-DeVine Trendsetter, NA, PT-s
Edgelea Nor'Easter O'Rosmoor ("Rosmoor Robert")
DeVine Sing A Joyfull Song, CDX
Kelhar's Joy To The World, CDX
Am./Can. CH Banchory Classic Image, ROM ("Formal Notice")
Am./Can. CH Banchory Beau Of Cedarhope
Can. CH Banchory Black Fashion
Am./Can. CH Sugarloaf Sudden Impact
Am./Can. CH Banchory Classic Image, ROM ("Formal Notice")
Sugarloaf Classic Mist
Bayside Socialite
CH Ashburton Sugarloaf Moonlit (click on name to see photo)
Am./Can. CH Banchory Classic Image, ROM ("Formal Notice")
CH Emeraude First Class
Emeraude Breeze On Bi
CH Sugarloaf Blue Diamond
CH Kidwelly Ashburton RSVP ("Formal Notice")
Can. CH Sugarloaf Ashburton Fantasy
Shellay's Grand Illusion

Chandler-Indy Puppies -- 10 days old

From left to right (#1 - 6, in order of birth):

sable bitch, tri male, sable bitch, tri bitch, sable bitch, sable bitch


Chandler-Indy Puppies -- 6 weeks old

From left to right (#1 - 6, same order as above):

sable bitch, tri male, sable bitch, tri bitch, sable bitch, sable bitch


Litter Evaluation (9/22/97)

We did this breeding with a couple of goals in mind, all having to do with proving "Chandler" and seeing what he might produce. Our first goal was to find out whether he was tri-factored or bi-factored (that is, whether he carried a gene for tri-color or a gene for bi-color). Chandler's mother is a bi-factored tri, so he had to be either tri-factored or bi-factored. We got the answer to that question when two of the six puppies were black, white and tan. [Answer: he's tri-factored.] (Bi-color is recessive to tri-color, so bi-colored Shelties have two genes for bi-color. Tri-colors can have two genes for tri-color, or one gene for tri-color/one gene for bi-color. The latter is the case for the two tri-color puppies in this litter, since each one had to get a bi-color gene from their bi-black dam.]

We also wanted to see if Chandler would be dominant for his very good front -- one of the best front assemblies we have ever seen in a male Sheltie. See About the Front Assembly. Indy's front was certainly good enough to finish but needs improvement. She has a short upper arm; and although she single-tracks both front and rear, she lifts just slightly in front. Although it is still too early to evaluate front movement in these puppies, we like what we feel when we go over their fronts. We did get a few short upper arms -- but not a whole litter of them.

We were also interested to see what we would get for size. Indy is a small bitch (14-1/4"), but she had very big littermates and produced a lot of size in her first litter. Both of Chandler's parents, on the other hand -- particularly his dam -- seemed to control size to a large extent. We were hoping he would also sire moderate puppies, even with an outcross breeding such as this... Well, these are NOT big puppies. At this point anyway, it doesn't look like anything has a chance of going oversize. Puppies #1 and #3 (sable bitches) are almost certainly too small. Puppies #2 (tri male) #4 (tri bitch), #5 and 6 (sable bitch, sable bitch) should be big enough.

We expected pretty eyes and nice heads from this breeding, and we were not disappointed. We seem to have improved on Indy's head in the ways we were hoping -- better underjaw, more muzzle and better-defined stops. We even got sufficient muzzle and underjaw on the two littlest puppies in the litter (#1 and #3).


Evaluation of individual puppies


Puppy #1 -- Six weeks

Puppy #1, a sable bitch shown at six weeks, is a little one whose size immediately eliminated her from contention as a show prospect. In addition, she was one of two puppies who inherited her dam's short upper arm.

Puppy #2 -- Nine weeks

We like almost everything about Puppy #2, a tri male shown at nine weeks. He has a beautiful head and expression -- with a particularly lovely eye, wonderful natural ears, good muzzle and great underjaw. He has a terrific front end, and we also like his length of body and neck and his general proportions.

His major fault is a slightly over-angulated rear. One way to evaluate rear angulation is to set the dog up so his hocks are perpendicular to the ground. In that stance, the back of the hocks should end up just a bit behind his tailbone. He should not "stand behind himself" as this puppy does, albeit ever so slightly -- click here to see this illustrated more graphically.

When he sets himself up naturally, a dog with an extremely overangulated rear will be unable to stand four-square as Puppy #2 is doing. This is because, with his hocks perpendicular to the ground, his feet would be too far behind him to support his rear end. To compensate, he may "stand under himself" with both legs, or he may stand like a German Shepherd with one leg under himself and one stretched behind.

A badly over-angulated rear will also affect movement because the natural length of stride in the rear will not match the natural length of stride in the front. To compensate, the dog may shorten his rear stride and fail to entend his hocks fully as he goes. This is commonly called "sickle hocks" because, when viewed from the side, the hocks remains sickle-shaped as the dog trots. From the rear, an observer will be unable to see the pads of the rear feet as the dog moves away at a trot.

Another possible compensation is to lift the front feet too far off the ground with each stride. This is wasted motion, but it enables the dog to "get out of his own way." He may also fail to single-track (feet converge toward a center line) in front, so that his rear feet -- which are single-tracking -- can swing between his lifting, non-single-tracking, short-strided front feet. (Some people call this type of a movement a "reverse tricycle" -- two "wheels" in front, one behind.) Or, the dog may "crab" or "sidewind," meaning that he will not move in a perfectly straight line. His front feet will move on one line; and his rear feet will converge on another line slightly to the right or left. (Lifting, the "reverse tricyle" and/or "crabbing/side-winding" are movement faults that are also common in dogs with too-short bodies. At a trot, the shortness of the body would cause the front and rear feet to hit each other if the dog did not compensate in one or more of these ways.)

Puppy #2 is only slightly over-angulated in the rear and, at least at this point, his natural stance and movement do not seem to be affected. This is probably because he has excellent front angulation (see "About the Front Assembly") and because his body is not too short.

We expect this puppy to mature at about 15 inches, maybe a bit less.

Puppy Number Two at six months (2/7/98)

During a recent trip to some shows in Virginia, I was able to visit and photograph Puppy Number Two, who lives in New Jersey. In the photos above, he is exactly six months old. We liked this puppy a lot at nine weeks; now we like him even better! He continues to have the virtues we admired then -- an excellent front; a beautiful natural earset, a sweet eye; a smooth, full muzzle and terrific underjaw. And, surprising to us, he has grown into that extreme rear we spent so much time talking about during his nine-week evaluation (see above). We're chalking it up to just another one of those surprises you can get with an outcross. With the Sea Isle lines we know best, it has always been our experience that a rear that is "too much" at eight to ten weeks will continue to be "too much" at adulthood. We have never before seen a puppy "grow into" an overangulated rear that is present at such a young age. (On the other hand, it is not uncommon for our puppies to appear overangulated in the rear around four or five months of age after having had correct rear angulation at an earlier age. This typically corrects by six months as the legs lengthen and mature bodily proportions are attained. For a good example of this, see "Eli x Penny: Puppy Number One Grows Up.") Well, we're still learning!

Although it is not real evident in the photos above, this puppy's backskull has fallen off just a bit, making his head planes not quite parallel. Since his dam did the same thing at the same age -- and came back -- we are not terribly concerned about this fault at this point.

When all is said and done, this puppy could well end up being our pick of the litter. There's not much we don't like about him now, and we think he'll only get better.

Puppy #3 -- Six weeks

Puppy #3, a sable bitch shown at six weeks (and not standing very well), is the smallest puppy in the litter. As an adult, she may make 13 inches, but it'll be be close. Other than her size, however, she is a very appealing puppy with sufficient bone (for her size), decent muzzle and underjaw, and a very sweet eye.

Puppy Number Three at four and a half months

It's hard to tell much about her bodily proportions from this photo taken by her new owners, although she looks like she is getting leggy. We can tell that this puppy's head has lengthened quite a bit and that she has fallen off in muzzle, something that was reported for all the puppies in this litter around this age.


Puppy #4 -- Nine weeks

Puppy #4, a tri-color bitch shown at nine weeks, is a puppy we like a lot. Although she is not standing very well (some puppies are easier to photograph than others -- this is a naughty one!), she has a very nice front and rear -- good angulation on both ends and well-balanced. She moves well in all directions. We also like her general proportions and outline.

Her muzzle and underjaw are sufficient; however, we would like a sweeter eye (that failing is not so evident in these photos, which were taken outside in fairly bright sunlight). On the other hand, we've had plenty of puppies in which the eye sweetened greatly as the head changed and developed over the first few years of life. It will be interesting to see if that happens with this girl.

This will not be a big bitch, but we think she'll be big enough. At this point, we're predicting that she will mature at around 14 inches -- maybe a bit more if we're lucky.

Puppy Number Four at five months

This puppy, who now lives in Vermont, is not standing well in the photo above (left). She was, according to her owner, quite put out at being made to stand on the grooming table while the other dogs were romping around the room. She's standing with her front legs too far forward; however, her good front angulation can still be seen -- see how far the front legs are set under her body? Her nicely angulated rear is also evident. Her head planes appear to be parallel. She has good stop and seems to have good underjaw. She seems to have good bone and substance for her size -- in contrast to her appearance just a month earlier, when her owner described her as a "sausage on stilts."

As she snuggles into her owner's shoulder in the photo at right, we have a chance to get a closer look at her head. Her muzzle appears quite smooth and full -- also very different than her appearance just a month earlier. Her eye continues to be rounder than we would like.

Her size is something of a concern. We had predicted that she would mature at around 14 inches, but we might have to revise our prediction downward just a bit.

Puppy #5 -- Nine weeks

Puppy #5, a sable bitch shown at nine weeks, is the biggest puppy in the litter. We are expecting her to mature at around 15 inches, maybe a bit more. This puppy is a good illustration of what can happen with an outcross breeding such as this. In this litter, we got several puppies who resemble their sire in general "type" (Puppies #1, 3, 4 and #6); one who is a very good blend of the two (Puppy #2); and this puppy, who looks as if her pedigree is as heavily Banchory as her dam's. A "typical" Banchory puppy may be seen by clicking here. This puppy has a much more "extreme" head than we are used to seeing in puppies this young. Will she grow into that head as Banchory puppies are noted to do, or will she be a clunky, "overdone" adult? Stay tuned!

This puppy is somewhat longer in body than any of her littermates -- maybe that goes along with the longer head. She has good rear angulation and excellent shoulder layback. Unfortunately, she, too, inherited her dam's short upper arm. At this point, her movement seems pretty good, but it is something we will be watching.

Puppy Number Five at 6 months (2/7/98)

During a recent trip to some shows in Virginia, I was able to visit and photograph Puppy Number Five, who lives in Maryland. In the photos above, she is exactly six months old. This puppy is still a bit "extreme" for me, but as Banchory puppies seem to do, she seems to be growing into that head (See a "typical" Banchory puppy grow up by clicking here). In fact, she appears much more moderate now than she did at nine weeks (above). She remains longer in body than her littermates, but her overall balance is better than that of her dam, who is both long in body and short on leg. Her head length is more like her dam, but her head detail is much better (note the parallel planes, stop, and underjaw in the profile at right). Her front and rear angulation is excellent. Her upper arm is somewhat short, but not terribly so, and she moves quite well in all directions. She had fallen off in muzzle at an earlier age, but that seems to be on its way back.

Her color has really changed from that of the washed-out, straw-color puppy fur she had at nine weeks. At this point, she doesn't appear bi-factored although, with a bi-black mother, we know she has to be. She may end up being a red puppy, but her second coat should have the black overlay that is typical of bi- or tri-factored sables.

Puppy #6, a sable bitch shown at six weeks, was our pick of this litter. More than any of her siblings, she seems to have it all together at this age. We love her head with its parallel planes, well-defined stop, nice muzzle, good underjaw, sweet eye and clean lip-line. She has a front assembly every bit as good as her sire's and a terrific rear to match. Her body is long enough, but not too long. We love her outline and balance.

Litter Update (12/28/97) -- 20 Weeks Old

We apologize for having been unable to update photos of the Chandler-Indy puppies; however, we still hope to be able to update at least some of them before too long. Puppies Two, Four, Five and Six are in homes in New Jersey, Vermont, Maryland and Massachusetts, respectively, where they will be shown if they turn out. From all reports, most are going through the major "uglies" at this point (20 weeks of age). Number Six has lost muzzle and underjaw and appears very leggy. Number Four lost muzzle earlier and is now seems to be regaining it, but otherwise, in the words of her loving owner, looks like "a sausage on stilts."

Number Two (at left, aged 13 weeks in a photo taken by his new owner) seems to be holding together a bit better than his two sisters. His very good front (excellent shoulder layback; long upper arm) is evident even in this not-so-sharp photo -- see how far his front legs are set under his body? His rear, our major concern at nine weeks (see earlier evaluation above), does not appear any more extreme than it did then; in fact, it now appears to "fit him better." And although he has become leggier in the weeks since this photo was taken, he seems to be staying in balance and holding muzzle and underjaw to a greater extent than Puppies Four and Six.

According to her owner, Number Five is also holding together pretty well. Her body appears well- balanced, and she is not terribly leggy. Her head appears less extreme than it did at nine weeks; however, like her sisters, she has fallen off in muzzle.

Again, with an outcross such as this, the developmental course for each puppy is harder to predict. Chandler, the sire of this litter, grew up "all in one piece" and went to his first shows as a puppy, taking home a major reserve at the age of six months (click here for photo) and a major at almost nine months (click here for photo).

Indy, the dam of this litter, was a very different story! Drop dead gorgeous at ten weeks, Indy then "went off" like I've never seen a puppy go off. She lost muzzle and underjaw, and her backskull started to fall off (recede). Her head planes became far from parallel. She appeared weedy, scrawny, long in body, and high in the rear. And you can imagine how she moved. At 13 months, with no sign of improvement, I advised Indy's owner to place her. She didn't, and we're both glad! (And I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong -- I sure was that time!) By eighteen months or so, Indy was starting to pull back together; by three, she was ready to hit the ring. She finished her championship at age five and a half. Click here to see a photo of Indy on the day she finished.

Puppy Number One and Puppy Number Three are living with wonderful families in New York and Massachusetts, respectively. Number One, now named Rosie, enjoyed a busy fall attending soccer games with her new family. Number Three, now named Lucy, enjoys walking on the beach near her home and terrorizing her "cousin," a Viszla. As her owner puts it, "She's a feisty one." Seems like the little ones always are!

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